No heavy Spartan. The expense of the supporting arms and cavalry, and widespread use of mercenaries, caused the Diadochi to rely on phalanx vs. phalanx tactics during the Wars of the Diadochi. Selbst als mit Aemilius Paullus ein erfahrener Feldherr die Führung der Legionen übernimmt, kann Perseus mit seiner reorganisierten Armee erfolgreich Widerstand leisten. This veteran writer has been on HubPages for a decade and has created over 100 original pieces. Studies show that the only reason people switched to iron and steel is because bronze equipment used tin, and tin was becoming a shortage, so they heated fires hot enough to melt iron, and iron was an abundance, so they just stuck with it. von Pergamon (der Auftraggebers des Pergamonaltars) die mit ihm verbündeten Römer zur Intervention. ), Die traditionelle Waffe der Makedonischen Phalanx war ihre bis zu sechs Meter lange Sarisse, Quelle: Wikipedia/F. Their living conditions were very austere, so you'd best bet that the Spartans were as tough as their shields themselves. Also covering from torso to knee when semi0crouched for a phalanx(pay attention to that coverage, that'll be important later). Inkompetente Führung lässt den römischen Vorstoß aber zunächst scheitern. So Hoplon- pretty overpowered. There is no doubt in my mind that Roman legions would completely obliterate the Spartans. It was the phalanx that allowed Greece to become the dominant power in the Western world. The Romans fought in the same way as the Spartans, as they both worked as a single force to crush their enemies. So yeah, literally big and scary guys. The Roman strategies were very devious when it comes to flanking. The Ninja was not a warrior who fought in plain sight, so the choice did not seem a good pairing. The historian Polybius details the effectiveness of the Roman legion against the phalanx. Final point, these guys were smart, there is a reason people back in those days employed Spartans as mercenaries or bounty hunters. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. As the long phalanx line pushed forward, they began to break formation as some areas pushed forward more than others and the uneven ground began to break the formation. The youth would have been taught of Sparta's heroes and he was instructed never to surrender, and never back down from the fight. Spartan never fought the Roman. The Spartan Phalanx was formidable, unless the enemy managed to flank it. No Spartionnaire. The Spartans of old existed a few hundred years before the Roman Empire and its mighty Legionnaires had marched their way over a large portion of the civilized world. As far as we are aware, these warriors never met on the battlefield as the once-mighty Sparta had melted into obscurity by the time of Roman supremacy and the Greek warriors were nowhere near their legendary peak. Deadliest Warrior is a horrible show because they do not treat things realistically. So by a small amount the Roman soldier should defeat a Spartan Warrior in the field of battle. The Roman formation was way more flexible and so could manage changes in the terrain more effectively than the phalanx could. A Hoplon looks completely for defending, and it is an excellent defensive tool, being made out of thick wood, a layer of leather for impacts and a shell of bronze (altogether weighing a good 30 lbs.- about 13 kg. That is, until the Romans developed the legion and cracked the phalanx. The Spartans were some of the greatest soldiers of all time, but that isn't as great an advantage as people make it out to be. Spartan supremacy wained in Greece and after several defeats to the city of Thebes due to and the same inability to advance tactics and equipment they too became a fighting icon of the past. See more ideas about ancient warfare, ancient warriors, ancient war. Owing to the shortness of the blade the Spartan had to react to the opponent's aggression rather than attack long-distance and telegraph his attack. Diese erklären Makedonien ohne triftigen Grund 171 den Krieg. Remember the spartan hopolite formation wasn't the same formation that the Macedonians used with their extremely long pikes. The Romans had spears but their fighting style was to use it more as a defensive or close quarter combat deterrent. For one thing, the title of this article is, 'A Spartan Warrior versus a Roman Legionnaire.' They were made to always compete against each other, some of the competitions included a fair amount of violence (so INDIVIDUAL FIGHTING PROWESS was VERY important). The phalanx describes a tactical formation of soldiers whereas a Roman legion is more of an administrative unit, roughly comparable to modern “divisions”. No variations for Spartans. Is this surprising? In fact he has roared … Continue reading "Book Review: Legion Versus Phalanx by Myke Cole." In a kind of homage to the television series. Second to last point, Spartan's size and strength. Second point of the xiphos. Makedonischen Krieg erlitt er 197 bei Kynoskephalai eine schwere Niederlage, die ihn die Rolle als Hegemonialmacht in Griechenland kostete. Die WELT als ePaper: Die vollständige Ausgabe steht Ihnen bereits am Vorabend zur Verfügung – so sind Sie immer hochaktuell informiert. They did not have a lot of coverage and as the armour was made of bronze it would have weighed a fair amount. The Greek xiphos was never a primary weapon as it would take away the advantage of the phalanx. Many people see this as a huge disadvantage, even for a one on one fight, but i see this a huge ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY for a one on one fight. Phyrrus) What I'm trying to say is that, back in 400 BC Spartans could crash a Roman army.100-150 years later though they would propably crashed. Armour: The Spartan Warrior in battle wore bronze armour, please disregard what the 300 movies showed, the Spartans did wear body armour with their red capes and helmets. The Roman ranks used their short sword in a more hand to hand environment. All of this to teach these boys survival and proficient fighting skills. With that being said, I implore everyone to stop talking about the military tactics employed by each anctient nation's armies, it does not matter!!! The US Marine fitness programme is based on the Spartan's brutal training principle, although slaughtering an innocent member of the serving class at graduation is not recommended. Swords: Both sets of warriors used a short sword as their primary weapon in one on one contest. ). The Roman is using technology more advanced than the Spartan so that alone should swing it. Roman Legion vs Vikings: who would win? After all, the Roman Legionary was able to defeat the Macedonian Phalanx. In a pitched battle, the Spartan would be victorious the vast majority of the time. Im Nahkampf haben die Makedonen mit ihren bis zu sechs Meter langen Stoßwaffen gegen die handlichen Spanischen Kurzschwerter der Römer keine Chance. It can shatter bones, destroy spinal columns, knock a human's skull so hard, it can kill in one blow (although a Spartan's arsenal are all for the most part, one hit, one kill weapons), it even had two straps on the inside for more maneuverability (it's big, but manageable, circular shape helped with that- and it's killing power). The greek phalanxes were too unwieldy to counter flanking attacks and were easily surrounded and undone. By the time the young Spartan has reached the age of eighteen, he had learned to fight, to win and to die honourably like a true Spartan. Rund 20.000 Makedonen sollen gefallen sein, gegenüber nur einigen hundert römischen Verlusten. Makedonische Krieg zu Ende und das Stammland Alexanders des Großen vernichtet. Wie bei Kynoskephalai vertrauen die Makedonen auf ihre traditionelle Sarissenphalanx (Sarisse = Lanze), die schon die Hauptwaffe Alexanders gewesen war, während die Römer auf ihre flexible Manipular-Taktik setzen, die sie gegen die Karthager perfektioniert haben. In a one on one fight, a Spartan would kill a Legionnaire easily. He may sign up to be a Legionnaire so that he could get Roman citizenship. I keep seeing a recurring point in everyone's comments that Romans had better equipment and would somehow render the Spartans' equipment/armor useless. I have decided to compare the Spartan warrior against one of Rome's finest Legionnaires. Die dynamische, aggressive und auf Auflösung von Abwehrformationen angelegte Kampftaktik der Legionen, so der Historiker Armin Eich, wird Rom in den folgenden zwei Jahrhunderten die Weltherrschaft sichern. At the tender young age of 7, Spartan males left home and entered the Agoge, where they were subjected to training that was anything but tender. The Legionnaire joined the Roman army in several different ways. for you non-americans). 168 v. Chr. The two terms aren’t exactly comparable. The Roman victory in the Battle of Cynoscephalae ( 197 BC ) marked the end of the Second Macedonian War between Rome and Philip V, king of Macedon.The battle is considered one of the best examples of manipular Roman legion superiority over the Macedonian phalanx … To start the game, I’d like to throw in a battle fought during the first Punic War, the battle of Tunis saw a Spartan Officer called Xanthippus throw a line of elephants, supported by the old phalanx of “doru” wielding Carthaginian levies at the Roman legions and with cavalry superiority on the flanks he won a decisive victory. Sparta, unlike the other Greek city-states, was centered around a warrior culture. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. In my opinion, the biggest advantage of the Roman legions over the Macedonian phalanx was their greater capacity to adapt to changing situations. The phalanx was best suited for level ground and was vulnerable to loss of cohesion, whereas the legion based on interlocking smaller units was much more adept at holding and reforming formation. Oh... don't you forget that they did this training as young boys, you keep that in your head. Geschichte Legion vs. Phalanx Roms neuartige Taktik vernichtete Makedoniens Heer In drei Kriegen kämpfte Rom gegen das Königreich Makedonien. Another way to become a Legionnaire was if he was an auxiliary attached to a legion in the occupied territories. The Roman legions utilized a more flexible battlefield strategy, with smaller units able to move independently. The victorious Romans recruited betallions of the few remaining Spartans after they controlled southern Greece and gave them special status in the Roman Legions. He deduces that the Romans refused to fight the phalanx where the phalanx was effective, Romans offered battle only when a legion could exploit the clumsiness and immobility of a phalanx. Der römische Konsul Lucius Aemilius Paullus besiegt am 22. BRONZE IS STILL A METAL. The spartans were originally thought to be around 5'10" to 5'11" through rough estimates from ancient equipment. Very little food was provided during training, as they were encouraged to steal food, but were punished if they got caught (so if you think that a Spartan was not stealthy, think again, they excel at it, part of their training was utilizing stealth in order to survive). Think about it, aside from grueling training and combat experience, these guys used the same loadout for every fight. If you don't believe me, get a steel or iron sword and try to cut or pierce a bronze medal. After constant drills by their superiors, the Spartan youth had become a fine-tuned killing machine ready for battle. Heck, their women were strong, participating in javelin throwing and discus hurling so as to attract a Spartan male's attention for marriage. The Spartan Shield is as strong or stronger than a post Battle of Carrhae Roman Shield. Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World - Kindle edition by Cole, Myke. Whereas when King Perseus fought the Roman Legions at Pydna, he had forsaken the Combined Arms approach and reverted back to a full Phalanx force, the kind of force his ancestor King Alexander had defeated many a times with his Combined Arms approach. So your saying that one Roman vs one Spartan, the Spartan is … The legionaries big advantage is they can maneuver far better than a phalanx can during a battle. The Spartans didn't have a wide range of weapons to use, or rather they did, but chose to use only their Dory spear, javelin, Xiphos, and Hoplon (yes, although it's a shield, i still consider it a formidable weapon- I'll get to that in a bit). Beide Heere sind mit rund 40.000 Mann ungefähr gleich stark. What I am unable to factor in is variables such as fatigue, morale, the experience of battle and what they are fighting for. We all know that if military discipline and fighting ability is paired with amazing physique and physical capabilities, then you've got one hell of a soldier. In contrast, a phalanx only really works when the entire army is in one cohesive formation. May 12, 2019 - Explore Jyotirvakyananda's board "Phalanx" on Pinterest. Even if this was an army vs army battle, it's not like the Spartans would just let an enemy flank them, they were soldiers, not stupid. This implies that it is a one on one, and if the author says it is not, then he should not have named it so. Spartan Phalanx vs Roman Legionary, who wins? People argue that a Xiphos is like a Gladius, but with weaker stabbing power, that's not true. Such a comparison is somewhat ridiculous, one only has to look at the absolute dominance of the Roman Military to conclude that they are superior. It was a leaf shaped straight sword which couldn't really reach around a shield. The Spartans would almost definitely win in a head on clash, the phalanx is just like the spears it is made from, devastatingly powerful head on, but weak when attacked from the side. THE GREEKS HAD A GREATER REACH BECAUSE OF A HUGE SPEAR AND SLINGER GAVE THEM A LITTLE ADVANTAGE. Andrew Stewart (author) from England on April 02, 2014: Thanks for the feedback Trax, appreciate the information! The legion of the Early Roman Republic was divided into 30 120-160 men strong maniples organized into 3 … No one expects it to be used as a weapon, and it being used as a weapon can allow the element of surprise. Late reader here. The Spartan warrior underwent a decade of tests, to ensure that his endurance and character were worthy of his position in the elite of his people's army. The only gripe I had with the programme was that the actual contestants they matched them up against were ill-suited. Just going to address some errors. bei Pydna am Olymp in Nordgriechenland das Heer des Königs Perseus von Makedonien vollständig. Back during King Alexander's time, he had a great mix of troops, fighting beside the Phalanx, such as Peltasts, Shield-Bearers, light-infantry, maybe archers, I am not sure, and most importantly, the Macedonian light cavalry. That alone would be a reason they would win over a legionnarie. This tough-love approach is effectively a basic form of eugenics policy, only the strongest will survive and they would be expected to continue Sparta's mighty military exploits. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Legion versus Phalanx: The Epic Struggle for Infantry Supremacy in the Ancient World. The Xiphos excels at stabbing, with a very sharp tip made to kill an enemy quickly if given that stabbing opportunity in CQC. It can be swung in a way that the ball turns into a semi-mace/hammer, easily capable of crushing a skull through a helmet. 168 v. Chr. He may have committed a crime and was offered the chance to use his life as a soldier rather than face a horrible death by execution. The Kopis, an alternative to the Xiphos some Spartans selected the dreaded Kopis as their secondary weapon. No different weapons for diferent classes. Gegen die gefürchtete Makedonische Phalanx setzten die Römer auf Beweglichkeit. Das Königreich Makedonien wird in vier unabhängige Regionen aufgeteilt und einige Jahre später als Provinz ins Römische Reich eingegliedert. 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